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m4pl3g1rl wrote:Since when do the choices have to be prude/puritan or crude/realist? I would call myself neither one side or the other but somewhere in the middle.
Lileya wrote:I didn't think any of you were neither prudes nor puritans.

Now clearly, I'm sure there are plenty of people plenty comfortable with their own sexuality and not wanting to see sex on TV.
There must be some subtleties in the English language that I do not understand for you to ask me such a question after I just appologized and insisted I did not think anybody here was prude/puritans...

(For the records, English is not my mother tongue.)
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Lileya wrote:My apologies if my words offended anybody.
I'm certainly neither offended by or angry with anyone here - I enjoy being able to have debates with friends, even on strong topics. :nod
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Sorry Lileya, I didn't think you were calling us prudes, I was just commenting on how I find debates often end up with only two choices, an extreme left and extreme right. And for English not being your mother tongue, you handle her really well!

Also, I haven't been offended either. I enjoy strong debates. Quite often I learn something. ^_^
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m4pl3g1rl wrote:Sorry Lileya, I didn't think you were calling us prudes, I was just commenting on how I find debates often end up with only two choices, an extreme left and extreme right. And for English not being your mother tongue, you handle her really well!

Also, I haven't been offended either. I enjoy strong debates. Quite often I learn something. ^_^
Perfect then, sorry for misunderstanding you as well.

Alright, I'm just curious. I just spent 20 minutes trying to find a specific scene on my favorite show being aired this season. This was one of the most explicit scene shown so far, but the show as a sex scene pretty much in every episode...

If anybody has 2 minutes to lose (having to go through 2 minutes of stupid commercials...), this was aired on national public television a few weeks ago. Skip directly to 7:45 and it lasts only about 20 seconds :

http://www.tou.tv/19-2/S02E06

(NOT KIDS OR WORK SAFE!!!!!)

So, is this free sex scene and not tasteful to you guys? Clearly, it's hard to judge without watching the show, but I was just curious to know people's opinions.
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starrley wrote: I do have to say though, that I feel one can be very comfortable with themselves and still not want to see sex on television or in movies.
I think this is what I was trying to say.
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Lileya-> Not sure what the French is saying but I can't view the video (either it was taken down or I can't view it in my country).

I think a lot of this has to do with how sex is viewed in society as well. I think shows are putting in more sex scenes to shock and awe and get us to look at ourselves and our views about this natural part of life in general. I mean, why is it ok to show nature documentaries with animals mating but we get so weirded out about our own sexuality? Of course, even then there are some people that find even nature documentaries too much. The problem comes from trying to please everyone and it just won't happen.

Honestly, most of the time I don't find any sex to be unnecessary. People have spontaneous sex, one-night stands, no attachment sex all the time. People parade around naked in their homes or even out in public depending on where they are. I'm all for realism in movies and shows and sex is part of that. I am completely for a society that isn't bothered at all by sex in the media or in life itself. It's amusing to me that just 200 years ago we were sleeping in one room cabins often with the parents and children sharing one big bed and, as we know, mom and dad still had sex. What has happened to us that sex was so open even in that hugely prudish era to now we are more open with ourselves and our lives and sex is such a private thing?

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MeiTow wrote:I mean, why is it ok to show nature documentaries with animals mating but we get so weirded out about our own sexuality?
The difference for me is that institutionalized sexism is not the "natural" state of affairs for human existence, and it's not inherent to human sexuality. By all indications it's a relatively recent phenomenon. I simply don't support media which perpetuates those structures.
MeiTow wrote:People have spontaneous sex, one-night stands, no attachment sex all the time. People parade around naked in their homes or even out in public depending on where they are.
I'm fine with these things being represented. However, I'm not fine with problematic situations being portrayed as unproblematic. What if drugging and raping people were portrayed as normal and acceptable on television (well, more than they already are)? I'm not talking about showing it as part of a drama where it's a bad thing one character does to another - I'm just talking about it being de rigueur. We don't see that in media because we, collectively as a society, have decided that it's unacceptable. But not too long ago it was considered just something that sometimes happened, and sucks to be you if you were subjected to it. Ever pay attention to the lyrics to the wintertime pop song "Baby, It's Cold Outside"? It didn't raise a ruckus when it came out - the man drugging the woman's drink was simply part of the cultural lexicon. That didn't make it right.

There's not an inherent issue with anything you listed. The problem is that these things take place within a societal structure which is explicitly sexist, and therefore these things (and the portrayal of sex, period) take on an entirely different timbre and significance.
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I agree with a lot of what RMDC said.

Personally I like the fact that society is finally starting to confront the gritty less-than-perfect parts of society. Murder, rape, incest, drug-use, and so on, have always been there, but we (the society we) were ignoring that. However, I don't want these things to be celebrated or treated as if they're normal. If it causes pain to self and others I don't believe it's a good thing. Of course that goes into my belief that extremes in any direction are bad. I'm a moderation-in-all-things sort of person.

So . . . in summery I'd just as rather not have explicit sex on tv in any form, but I don't want to shy away from real parts of life. I just don't want to celebrate or treat as normal, the abhorrent parts of society.
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I don't mind sex scenes, "necessary" or not. But, I'm also a female who watches, and enjoys, p o r n, with and without my husband. I seem to be in the minority here, but if something bothers me in movies/on t.v., I just choose to not watch it again. To me, it boils down to personal taste/choice/morals. What I like may not be someone else's cup of tea, and that's perfectly fine with me.

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LinkIsMyHomeboy wrote: To me, it boils down to personal taste/choice/morals. What I like may not be someone else's cup of tea, and that's perfectly fine with me.
Agreed. And that really is what it boils down to isn't it? You can argue your point from your your own viewpoint/moral/choice/taste but you can't make people agree with you. That's why people need to be tolerant.

I claim the right to believe as I wish, and I think everyone has that right. It's in not recognizing that where we tend to get problems.
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