Sounding Board - Sex on Television

[Kareesh]

To me, it boils down to personal taste/choice/morals. What I like may not be someone else's cup of tea, and that's perfectly fine with me.

Agreed. And that really is what it boils down to isn't it? You can argue your point from your your own viewpoint/moral/choice/taste but you can't make people agree with you. That's why people need to be tolerant.

I claim the right to believe as I wish, and I think everyone has that right. It's in not recognizing that where we tend to get problems.

True, but at the same time, when do we stop being tolerant. I'm not trying to stir things up, but if we say that we have to be tolerant of everybody, then you're going to get people coming out of the woodwork saying "You need to be tolerant of me even though I like child p r o n" or stuff like that.

It's these weird shades of gray that seems to cause the problems. Some people see the world as black and white, it's either wrong or it's right. Then there are other people that see things as shades of gray where right and wrong have many different levels. I am mainly a black and white person but I can see shades of gray. My husband, on the other hand, is more of a gray kind of guy. We've had several arguments over stuff and what is acceptable. Honestly, some of them have gotten pretty bad and has caused our relationship a lot of heartache.

Sorry, starting to babble. Been sick with a fever today, so feel free to ignore this fever-induced babble.

[RMDC]

To me, it boils down to personal taste/choice/morals. What I like may not be someone else's cup of tea, and that's perfectly fine with me.

Agreed. And that really is what it boils down to isn't it? You can argue your point from your your own viewpoint/moral/choice/taste but you can't make people agree with you. That's why people need to be tolerant.

But you can't just stop with "choiciness". For example, with pornography and prostitution: both are rife with human trafficking, and both are crazy problematic under patriarchy even if human trafficking didn't exist. It's one thing to say "I choose my choice", but when a demand-driven industry relies on the ownership and sale of other human beings, and when it relies on and in turn works to perpetuate the most extreme expressions of patriarchy, I posit that it's not simply a matter of personal choice or morals anymore.

But then, that's what puts me in the camp of "feminism, and not the fun kind", to paraphrase Andrea Dworkin.

[LinkIsMyHomeboy]

I'm strictly talking fake sex on t.v....real-life situations are different.

[m4pl3g1rl]

But you can't just stop with "choiciness". For example, with pornography and prostitution: both are rife with human trafficking, and both are crazy problematic under patriarchy even if human trafficking didn't exist. It's one thing to say "I choose my choice", but when a demand-driven industry relies on the ownership and sale of other human beings, and when it relies on and in turn works to perpetuate the most extreme expressions of patriarchy, I posit that it's not simply a matter of personal choice or morals anymore.

But then, that's what puts me in the camp of "feminism, and not the fun kind", to paraphrase Andrea Dworkin.

I have a feeling that extreme expressions of matriarchy would perpetuate its own share of problems. Extreme in any direction no matter how good the intention is bad. Just a thought. My husband and I are what we call 'equalists'. We feel that everyone should be treated fair based on individual merits, not because of 'fill-in-the-blank-descriptor'. However, RMDC, I do not want you to think I do not respect what feminists have done. Voting, wearing pants, and working on breaking the glass ceiling are wonderful rights and freedoms.

But Linkismyhomeboy is right. This is about fictional sex and the like on television.

And I think we almost all agree that improper acts of sex, rape, prostitution, and the like, should not be shown as if it were a good thing.

[RMDC]

But that's the thing - the media we consume is developed by real people, generally features real people within it, and has real-world effects and consequences. And, as evidenced here, we generally apply the same filters to our "real sex" and "pretend sex" consumption.

I also have my reasons for rebutting equalism, but that's another forum, let alone another thread. Likewise, an unpacking of the word "matriarchy" and why it's not simply a reflection of patriarchy is also outside the context of this thread. Patriarchy itself, however, is front and center; it literally is the context of this thread, as well as the media being discussed within.

[m4pl3g1rl]

I think this thread is dead. ^_^

[blackmageheart]

I think this thread is dead. ^_^

Quite possibly.

It's been a good debate, though. I always find it enjoyable to see a thread on a strong subject, where people have such differing opinions, yet can still behave themselves.